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Obnoxious Trekkies by f14ace Obnoxious Trekkies by f14ace
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READ THIS BEFORE YOU COMMENT!

Ok, I've decided to just redo this whole stamp because a lot of people were still missing the point.

So let me clarify this once and for all. I really couldn't care less about "Trekkies" not liking the new films. I can understand why long time fans would have problems with the JJ Abrams films. My big problem is how those people lash out at anyone who has anything remotely positive to say about the new films. Not liking the films is one thing. Labeling everyone who actually does like them as "brainless morons", however, is just plain uncalled for. I've come across all manner of comments like that.

I've also seem crap like "You're not a real fan if you like the new stuff". Again, what the hell gives you the right to decide who is and isn't a "real fan"?

I'm sick of these fanboys who act like they're somehow superior to everyone else. They're a bunch of stuck-up elitist snobs who look down on everyone else, and they take this sci-fi franchise WAY too seriously.

I've also seen the elitist fanboys making hateful comments directed at the actors of the JJ Abrams films, saying that they hope the actors' careers fail and such. Wanting someone's career to bomb just because they played in a movie you didn't like is just unbelievably childish. But again, these are the same people who make all manner of stupid personal attacks directed at anyone who dares to actually enjoy the Abrams films so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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Trotsky17 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
Personal insults against Trekkies like fucktards is not doing you any favours. People have a right to criticise JJ Abrams or your argument here.
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Trotsky17 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
I have READ this and I just don't agree with you or is that a difficult concept to understand.
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f14ace Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
You keep whining about me defending the Abrams films. Either you didn't read the whole thing, or you just have no problem with your fandom acting like a bunch of condescending douchebags toward anyone who happens to like a certain movie. Either way, I'm tired of repeating myself so why don't we just agree to disagree and you go ride off into the sunset now?
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BluefoxP Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm a displaced fan of a spin off board game called Star Fleet Battles, and to me this is more canon than what I have seen on the shows, but I don't discount any of them just because the movies/shows where bad.

JJ’s Trek makes me happy to see some things that are used in Star Fleet Battles and it gives more of some-what real feel to it, like Star Trek VI had.

Paramount is more to blame for most of the fed ups as they control the franchise with an iron grip, look at ADB inc's contract.

[link] here is the Star Fleet Battles and it’s Universe (started in the 1970s and still going).

And the PC game called Star Fleet Command I-II/Orion Pirates is based off of Star Fleet Battles.
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TheGothicWriter Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013  Student General Artist
It was the new movie that really sparked my interest in Star Trek. I would have found it eventually, but still.
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Scyphi Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Concurred, concurred, CONCURRED!

And concurred again, just for good measure!

If those traditionalist Trekkies (my polite way of putting it) don't like the newer productions of Trek, fine, but they need to keep it to themselves, and for the love of all things sane, not use it to drag the rest of the fanbase down with them!

And yes, JJ Abrams pretty much did save Star Trek, that's just a fact of life. Deal with it.

And finally, a reboot was inevitable anyway. We should be glad JJ Abrams did it and not somebody else who could've done it worse.

...one more "concurred" just to round things off. :D
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f14ace Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Yeah, it could have been a LOT worse. Michael Bay could have made it instead...
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Scyphi Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh *brrr*, don't scare me like that! :P
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DFX4509B Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Whatever you guys like, but I still prefer the original movies - Star Trek the Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, etc. Just my $0.02.
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RinjiPantera Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
What can I say? I'm just glad that Paramount is bothering to keep producing Star Trek at all. They could just as easily move on from it and focus on other more profitable movie opportunities. But it's because of the fans (and the money, of course) that Paramount is still making more Star Trek. Rather than worry about who likes what, Star Trek fans should just appreciate the fact that the franchise is still alive.
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
BTW you have problems with people fine, don't take it out on others because you lump us all as assholes buddy. Look in the mirror you are just as bad of them. BTW the crew of Star Trek: Enterprise will forever be my second favorite crew. It one thing to say your a Trekkie, it's another to prove it. Fighting over if Star Wars is better, what's the better series? This is childish BS, just like the stupid movie.
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f14ace Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
Well, if you had bothered to read the description, you would know that this wasn't directed at all the fans.
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's still derogatory. You may have good intentions for making the stamp, but just like Alfred Nobel making dynamite he didn't want bank robbers blasting safes open with it. I have received this stamp 24 times in the past 3 months. I founded :iconfantrek:, and believe it or not even demoted Administrator for not having an open mind. Such stamps are perpetuating the rift that feed the very people you target it to. Best ignoring these people then giving them the spotlight is the goal.

The fact is no one has ruined Star Trek if you have what you feel is Star Trek to you, and that is all it is. One's opinion is theirs...move along, get over it. There are butt-heads i every walk of life, don't empower them, ignore them because in the end misunderstanding will only have you fall under that label yourself.
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f14ace Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
I really don't care about your group. Nor is it my fault that people keep trying to submit my stamp to your group. I'm not going to remove it just because you don't like it.

I have received this stamp 24 times in the past 3 months.

Again, that's not my problem.
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So tell me...what did I exactly blame you for? Absolutely nothing, I just wanted to see WHERE the STAMP came FROM! I read, I commented, GOOD DAY!
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
he movie sucked, it's not Star Trek, and if you like it, FINE now leave us Trekkies ALONE!
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f14ace Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
Excuse me? You are the one who clicked on this. If you don't like my opinion then feel free to take a hike.
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I clicked on this because I got this tamp for the 24th time, and I wanted to know why someone would make such a stamp directed at Star Trek Fans.
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f14ace Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
I wrote several paragraphs to go with the stamp and gave what I feel are valid reason supporting my view. You're the one who is being rude and obnoxious here. Also, I don't appreciate call-out journals and I'm about ready to file a complaint with the help desk.
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I read, and I disagree with the need for the stamp. All it will invite is this very same misunderstanding. As soon as someone see's the link they will use it and always in the wrong context.
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Faerie-StarV Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012   General Artist
You do realized that it's aimed at the rabid fanbrats, not the sane fans? If your not a fanbrat, why are you offended? :lol: Reading is your best friend. :meow:
Also, why don't you blame the founder and other co founders for accepting his stamp instead of the stamp maker? Perhaps they see him making good points and that there is indeed a bad apples in every other fandom.
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1). I am not blaming anyone for anything here. I followed this link and read the description, and I disagree with the concept of this stamp, all it will bring is misunderstanding. If I so wrong about that opinion well then, I guess this stamp was to alienated all Trekkies because as it reads is what it says.

2). If you can't tolerate other people, don't give them a weapon that will backfire on you.

I have said my peace, and I bid you a good day.
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Faerie-StarV Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012   General Artist
Perhaps it's to tell some of the fans not to take the fandom seriously and that they should try to have fun? Because I've seen that other fans going nuts over trivial things like Princess Sally Acorn from Archie comics Sonic the Hedgehog. Sally fanbrats would not allow me or other sane Sally fans to pair Sally up unless it's Sonic, you can't make parody art of her, can't hang out with the anti Sally fans, etc. and they even go nuts over her wearing clothes(she used to wear only vest and boots). It's gotten so bad that they even harassed and wished death on this guy, who happens to be a head writer, :iconianpotto: All because he's under orders of Sega(the ones who owned Sonic the Hedgehog and are calling the shots) and he has to do what he says but the fans just assumed that he's writing for his own 'pleasure', which is not the case. What's even sadder is that the fans are my age or even older and they act like children by getting so emotional over a fictional character when there is worse things out there in the real world like the economy recession and so forth. If you say you like the comic, they'll go nuts on you and calling you a 'sicko' because Ian 'killed' Sally. All over for a kids comic book.


I can't argue on that. It depends on how you use it but that's just me. :shrug:

You too. :meow:
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f14ace Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
They're cut from the same cloth as rabid bronies. It's scary how similar they are.
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Faerie-StarV Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012   General Artist
You should have seen the rabid Princess Sally Acorn fans, they're no better, they're just as bad as they are. In fact, I'm writing my group's journal entry right about now and will link it to the group. :)
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jafar13 Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
Hi i loved this article!!!! i totally get what your saying and i agree we have saved a franchise and probably opened the doors to expand the Star Trek universe to a new generation of fans. im only 15 and i started with voyager re runs on spike but i loved the idea of it. tolerance, diversity, exploration, discovery, science, and AWESOME BATTLE SEQUENCES are great lessons that if applied to today's world could change our world for the better! {maybe not the battle sequences}
one of the things i have learned from star trek history is the historical markers it set in this world. Woman in authority, minorities in command positions, and interracial kissing all groundbreaking stunts made in their time. and im hoping that Abrams might try a few stunts of his own. Star trek has been a game changer and example for change. i hope that it becomes that for this generation of new trek fans.
I have watched all 5 series and liked them all, and as well with the movies. The new movies were not made to please the fans who sit at home trolling all day and look at playboy, they were made to capture the eye of that curious movie goer, that interested guy watching trailers on YouTube, the new generation. and that's what the new movies have done and star trek will live on:]
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Majestic-MSFC Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Mate, you're absolutely right, Voyager and Enterprise are my favourite series and the new Trek did exactly what you said and for the most part it was a great movie (just a few personal dislikes but that is true about any production). You hit the nail on the head and it's so true about these self proclaimed Trek fans who totally miss the whole idea that started Trek in the first place, Gene Roddenberry's vision of a better more accepting future.
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RageTH Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with you 100% I thought the new Star Trek was fantastic for the most part! My little qualms with it are writing-related, not fandom related.

The new Constellation class is beautiful!
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Passin Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
As a fellow trekkie who enjoyed ALL the tv series and the new film, I agree with you 100%. What the hell is WRONG with these people that they don't get it!?!
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galactica1actual Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Student Photographer
As a life long fan, I stand by the movies and the franchise. Where there parts about the new movie that I didn't enjoy- yes and those were mainly in production values. There was a solid story line and pretty good character development. There were also nice nods to the original series and the actor cast to play their specific characters did a wonderful job.
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ArrayOfStars Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
You're absolutely right. The death of Gene Roddenberry and Berman & Company did (sadly). Then JJ Abrams came along and finished the job. The nail in the coffin, as they say.
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HepcatNesmith Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Not a fan of the new movie, I must admit--but it didn't RUIN Star Trek. As long as I still have the original series and TNG to watch, it's all good to me :shrug: Anyway, it was interesting to see a fresh take on it.
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GGundamSamurai Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
I loved J.J. Abrams movies. If anything he saved it. I mean his movie kicked the crap out of the Odd numbered original films and The Next Generation films.
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XyndnyAlpha Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
true... but Nemesis is a BIT depressing.
plus they killed off a fan favorite
(especially to the women... But girls... It was Spiner's idea and he got lucky with it cuz he knew the director personally)
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XyndnyAlpha Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you, except im the dark angel of trek forums, you kill me i come back and continue to POST MY LOVE!
currently the security on the ST.com is so tight the system bans you if your the only one on there because you get in more posts faster and it thinks you are a troll... i am currently waiting for my 5th time run at it, i have some good online buddies there.
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Trotsky17 Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2012
I loved Next Gen, Voyager and DS9 from the beginning. I'm sick of pro reboot fans taking the moral 'high ground'. Can't you deal with the fact that there are fans out there who did not like this movie? Just because you dislike the movie doesn't make you a rabid Trekkie.
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f14ace Featured By Owner May 4, 2013
Perhaps you should actually try reading before you open your mouth. This stamp was not directed solely at people who hate the new movie. Partaking in the douchebaggery I described in the description section makes you a "rabid Trekkie".
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Trotsky17 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
Gees, I'm allowed to criticise it if I want.
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Trotsky17 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2012
Continuity, baby!
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TarantulasPrime Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012
I agree with the post. I've been saying something similar for years. I grew up watching TOS when it was a weekly series on NBC and was very sad when it ended. When TNG was running, we had a barrel of fun discussing it on the Compuserve Science Fiction and Fantasy forum. David Gerrold and Michael Okuda and some other folks from the show were on there too. We were all sad when it ended. When DS9 began, the Internet was just getting started too. Fans started having a great time creating websites all about Star Trek, with original artwork, episode guides, and multimedia files. There was a great website called Loskene's Tholian Web that had a ton of photos and high quality sound files that was a joy to behold. I still have 187 sound files from Loskene's website, dated 1993-1997, and they're great. The website was shut down after copyright threats from Viacom, which was a real shame.

Another phenomenon that arose at the same time as the fan websites was a large, screeching flock of Star Trek critics. You could build a website with pictures and sounds and videos, and people would visit and download and leave. But if you wanted to build a truly large following, the easiest way to get started was to write insulting things about Star Trek. Getting started was easy - the critics claimed that Deep Space Nine was a ripoff of Babylon 5, because both shows were set on space stations. Trekkies rushed to defend Trek, and the critics gained an inflated importance by being at the center of controversy. Other Trekkies decided to get in on the fun, so they formed their own critic websites. Paramount became so concerned about all the negativity that they punched up the theme song and brought in the Defiant in season 3.

Voyager got back to the roots of Star Trek by going where no man had gone before, but the critics couldn't wait to sink their teeth into it. Instead of loving it because it wasn't DS9, they hated it because hating Trek made them popular. Again, all the negativity worried Paramount, so they brought in Seven of Nine in season four. But even the detailed character development of Jeri Ryan's character didn't stop the screeching. Enterprise came along in 2001, and despite its innovative theme, the critics savaged it. The negativity this time caused a revision of the theme song and the beginning of the amazing Xindi story arc that continued for the whole season. There was so much negativity this time that the series was cancelled after its fourth season. When "In a Mirror, Darkly" returned the crew to the TOS "Mirror, Mirror" universe, the critics said "Hey wait a minute, this is GREAT!" But it was too late. They had killed Enterprise.

Every Star Trek series had its good and bad episodes. But the full time Trek haters killed off Trek for everyone. Now all that remains are dinosaur critics, sitting in a dimly illuminated basement and furiously spewing what's left of his hatred for a long dead TV show. How sad, both for them and for us.
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Passin Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
It's enough to seriously depress those of us Trekkies who LOVE all of the series.
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greytawnyowl Featured By Owner May 21, 2012
I honestly do not believe the series were ruined by the last movie since I assume every fan has their own preferences (I, myself, quite enjoyed Voyager even though most people seem to find it rubbish), and I defintely think that some people take Star Trek too seriously (but it's the same with most fandoms, such as the Star Wars one since I know it well)... However, I must say that I do consider that the movie was rubbish, I didn't quite like it as I really don't like this kind of film in general. It seems cheap, I mean, it's more about the special effects and action than the plot and I don't tend to like that, unless it's delibaretely not taking itself too seriously.

Even without the name "Star Trek", I would hate it and I can understand why some fans would think that it somehow isn't a Star Trek movie since it looks like any Hollywood blockbuster and doesn't make good use of the "principles" of Star Trek (no matter how much they can be contradicted in the past shows).

Anyway, I wonder how important it is to revive the franchise or keep it alive. I do not really see why we should still make movies and series about it, but that's just an opinion.
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Midnight-Green Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I consider myself a really big trek fan, I read and own several of the books including tech manuals and frequently enjoy talking about it. I'm a big tech junkie about the shows and movies and I have to say I saw your stamp and had to check it out.

I'm not exactly sure what would be considered a "hardcore" fan I'd like to think I know a rather large amount about the series on a whole and fully promote it and promote new people to at least try it. I don't think Abrams ruined it but like any trekkie I had some issues with it *ship design and the Spock\Uhura thing as the biggies* and voiced them but to say it ruined the series is far from it.

Personally I liked Enterprise for the way it was presented, Voyager for the more or less storyline, DS9 for the soap opera that it is ect. ect. I think every Trekkie will bitch about at least one series on a whole and frankly a lot of them need to get over it and see it for what it is. a different star trek in a different time era.

I like to consider myself a very serious trekkie and love it when new people find a reason to love this movie or even the original series or any other version of star trek and love to discuses it with them or others who have liked it for a long time and it honestly disappoints me to hear that there are those who have taken things this far, I think it's disgraceful. I'm glad you've thrown this up and hope a hell of a lot of those particular trek people see this.

True star trek fans love and enjoy the series for what it is and what it is supposed to stand for. as far as the actual Abrams thing goes, look at it this way you butthurt fans. they're going in a new direction with a new mission in a new universe to seek out new and old fans to boldly go into what is the unknown future of star trek.

if you don't like it, shuttlecrafts will be standing by to take you away from this new future.

and yes I felt the need to add the cheesiness at 1:30AM because I'd like to think I was that coherent when I wrote this.

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Passin Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
I second that
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Doornik1142 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2011
I also see the hardcore fan beating on the casual fans. A guy comes on and comments that he likes Star Wars and Star Trek and the next thing you know he gets flooded with crap like "Yeah well you suck cuz true Star Trek fans hate Star Wars!"


That is kind of a funny phenomenon, though. The biggest Star Wars fans are also the ones who complain the most about how much it sucks.

But I can sympathize with Trekkies (I'm not one, for the record) who have a bug up their butt about the new movie because it "reboots" the Trek universe. I have similar feelings about the recent DC Comics reboot.

The thing is, fans want to see the current story continue. They're not interested in going back and retelling Kirk's story. They're interested in where the series is now and where it will go in the future.

You say the reason the Trek fandom has been shrinking is because of veteran fans' hostility to new fans and casual fans, and to a degree that's true. But I would argue that that hostility wouldn't exist in the first place if the people in charge of Star Trek hadn't pumped out so much crap starting with Star Trek: Voyager.

If they focused on just telling good stories their fanbase will take care of itself.

For the record though, I do think the JJ Abrams film is a step in the right direction even if it does overwrite all the old continuity. But I would have liked it more if they hadn't gone with a time travel reboot.
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KotOR-fanatic Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
The JJ Abrams film did overwrite most of the old continuity, but not all. The prequel television series Star Trek Enterprise and Zefram Cochrane's first warp flight in Star Trek First Contact did not get overwritten. Only the times of James T. Kirk's birth and anything afterwards (includes the other old previous television series and films) got overwritten.
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Doornik1142 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
Yeah, well, saying Enterprise is still in continuity but TNG and TOS as we know it are overwritten is not exactly what I would call a positive development. Kind of a "one step forward, two steps back" sort of thing.
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thunderfoot006 Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011
My bad! My apologies, I thought this had been written by Jetfreak. Read the whole thing. Twice. Well said! Well thought out.
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